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Heaveto's comments:
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We read all the time about how many schools in Oregon fail to meet 'national targets'---I'm ignorant of the facts, so could you tell me WHY they are failing??
And of all the children receiving home schooling--are there studies to show that they as a group meet 'national standards' or do we have only to take their parents word for it?
And of all the children receiving home schooling--are there studies to show that they as a group meet 'national standards' or do we have only to take their parents word for it?
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Reading your piece made me think 'what a terrific study this would be for an enterprising sociologist' ---have any studies been done in this area that you know of?
posted 4 years, 10 months ago
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My God, to listen to all you people I get the distinct message that the public schools in the State of Oregon are a disaster!---are they REALLY that bad? People in the Portland area paint a picture of poor teachers, undisciplined classrooms and neglect, it's starting to sound like a 'third world country'.
My children and grandchildren were educated in New Jersey public schools and every one of them has become a success and are happy with their lives.
It never crossed my mind that 'home schooling' was necessary.
You folks certainly paint a terrible picture.
My children and grandchildren were educated in New Jersey public schools and every one of them has become a success and are happy with their lives.
It never crossed my mind that 'home schooling' was necessary.
You folks certainly paint a terrible picture.
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It was very pleasing to read about your success with your children---intelligent parents and consequently intelligent children.
I agree about reading, although mine went to Public School, we had a reading hour every evening before bedtime when everyone (mom and dad included) would read.
It's a misnomer to call it 'unschooling'---you practiced "home schooling'
'Unschooling' should be applied to those 'sham' schools with no carriculum.
I agree about reading, although mine went to Public School, we had a reading hour every evening before bedtime when everyone (mom and dad included) would read.
It's a misnomer to call it 'unschooling'---you practiced "home schooling'
'Unschooling' should be applied to those 'sham' schools with no carriculum.
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Att.rmommy-----------Personal attacks are not necessary---and if you are home schooling I hope that you don't demonstrate that to your children----they learn a lot by example!!
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What you have said about schools is true---however, my experiences from my school days of being bullied, ridiculed as well as being discriminated against because of religion, prepared me very well for handling the same treatment as an adult.
One way or another, we eventually have to learn how to handle personal relationships and you can't shield your children from the 'real world'.
As for fun--you learn at school--you also learn from your parents behavior, and you have fun at home!!!
One way or another, we eventually have to learn how to handle personal relationships and you can't shield your children from the 'real world'.
As for fun--you learn at school--you also learn from your parents behavior, and you have fun at home!!!
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Even if a parent is capable of home schooling, there is the question of available time (careers and making a living interfere)so for every parent who is able and capable, how many millions are not?
As for testing---it's not a question of 'state officials'-- it's having people with the knowledge and qualifications, testing and determining if a child is meeting the necessary educational standards.
As for testing---it's not a question of 'state officials'-- it's having people with the knowledge and qualifications, testing and determining if a child is meeting the necessary educational standards.
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The fact that you possess the knowledge that home schoolers are tested as frequently as the children in public schools, then pray tell me, who do we contact to get our home schooler tested frequently?---I would appreciate the name and telephone number of the contact person or department.
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I wish I could say that I was wrong---calling the authorities in Portland we were told that they had only ONE person testing home school children----we have a child in our family who will be ten years of age this month, his mother has professed 'home schooling' and no one, and I mean no one has ever tested this boy for proficiency from the city, county or State.
We just recently took him into a public school (being concerned grandparents) and found that this close to ten year old child could barely read at the second grade level--he didn't even know the 'days of the week'.
I call it CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!
We just recently took him into a public school (being concerned grandparents) and found that this close to ten year old child could barely read at the second grade level--he didn't even know the 'days of the week'.
I call it CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!
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All this talk about schooling out of the public system, either in the home or an alternative school, are all wonderful ideas if they truly educate.
But doing it without verification as to it's effectiveness, is not only foolhardy, but a form of child abuse (denial of education).
The State of Oregon does not have sufficient oversight in place to protect these children by frequent testing.
Calls to the board of education get a 'sorry, we can't help you on that' response------criminal!!!!
But doing it without verification as to it's effectiveness, is not only foolhardy, but a form of child abuse (denial of education).
The State of Oregon does not have sufficient oversight in place to protect these children by frequent testing.
Calls to the board of education get a 'sorry, we can't help you on that' response------criminal!!!!
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You could use a title for your unschooling revelation---how about, "School for Anarchists"
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rmommy, I was sitting here reading over again your response, were you say "what about Roosevelt,Edison,Einstein,Churchill etc".
I would think that these people had access to the finest tutors----are you telling me that every parent who ellects to teach their children at home has the tutorial experience or perhaps the necessary basic intelligence required to impart knowledge to a child.
Maybe the VERY lucky few.
Making enquiries in Portland I find that they only have one individual person responsible for testing these home taught children and they are lucky if this person gets to test them once every 3 to 4 years----great system, right!!
I personally think that it is a disgrace!!!!!!!!!We really care about our kids!!
I would think that these people had access to the finest tutors----are you telling me that every parent who ellects to teach their children at home has the tutorial experience or perhaps the necessary basic intelligence required to impart knowledge to a child.
Maybe the VERY lucky few.
Making enquiries in Portland I find that they only have one individual person responsible for testing these home taught children and they are lucky if this person gets to test them once every 3 to 4 years----great system, right!!
I personally think that it is a disgrace!!!!!!!!!We really care about our kids!!
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What you say about having unqualified teachers in your 4th and 7th grade--first, how did you find out that they were not qualified--and if so, did your parents object.
Secondly, just because you had that sad experience, are you in favor of knowingly sending children to a school with unqualified teachers?
I am a newcomer to this State having arrived here within the last 15 months and the horror stories that I hear about the underground teaching scam with unqualified schools really amazes me.
One question I have is--were's the teachers union??
Secondly, just because you had that sad experience, are you in favor of knowingly sending children to a school with unqualified teachers?
I am a newcomer to this State having arrived here within the last 15 months and the horror stories that I hear about the underground teaching scam with unqualified schools really amazes me.
One question I have is--were's the teachers union??
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When you were making $100K, did you nest egg for a rainy day---?
People should learn from business---it's called contingency!!!
People should learn from business---it's called contingency!!!
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I believe it was Churchill who said that 'Democracy is a very bad form of Government' but he went on to say 'however, it's the best one around'
Then there was D'Tocqville a few hundred years ago who said 'People get the governments they deserve'--------makes a lot of sense when you think that the country voted for Bush!!!
I really don't think 'party' has anything to do with it, I think that it requires a President who is intelligent and knows the meaning of common sense.
Then there was D'Tocqville a few hundred years ago who said 'People get the governments they deserve'--------makes a lot of sense when you think that the country voted for Bush!!!
I really don't think 'party' has anything to do with it, I think that it requires a President who is intelligent and knows the meaning of common sense.
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I'm an immigrant who arrived in North America with $40.00 and no job---within 40 years I owned five companies--how was it accomplished?
It was accomplished with two things---the required 'hard work' and a hell of a lot of 'good luck'
The secret I discovered was, that although being in the 'right place at the right time is important'-- what is more important is the smarts to KNOW that you are in the right place at the right time---if that makes any sense!!
It was accomplished with two things---the required 'hard work' and a hell of a lot of 'good luck'
The secret I discovered was, that although being in the 'right place at the right time is important'-- what is more important is the smarts to KNOW that you are in the right place at the right time---if that makes any sense!!
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I can understand your agitation when people say 'live within your means'----It has been my opinion that advice like that is usually given to people 'before' they experience a financial hardship--meaning 'do not get into debt' by over spending--good advice---but not the kind of advice to be given to someone experiencing hardship not of their own making!!!
I hope things improve for you.
I hope things improve for you.
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When you talk about 'home schooling' and then 'unschooling' you are talking about two different subjects.
The unschooling that I am refering too is the so called 'school' that allows the child to do whatever he wishes and has no prescribed carriculum and is not registered with the state as a school, nor do they have qualified teachers----there are over 50 of these so-called schools in Oregon.
I agree, home schooling if conducted in a responsible manner by a qualified person can be very effective.
Although my question has been---who determines if the person conducting the home schooling is qualified!!
The unschooling that I am refering too is the so called 'school' that allows the child to do whatever he wishes and has no prescribed carriculum and is not registered with the state as a school, nor do they have qualified teachers----there are over 50 of these so-called schools in Oregon.
I agree, home schooling if conducted in a responsible manner by a qualified person can be very effective.
Although my question has been---who determines if the person conducting the home schooling is qualified!!
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Unschooling to me sounds like the greatest threat to America since Terrorism!!
Think about it, 100 years from now---we, with a country of 'unschooled children' who have grown up to 'really enjoy' being waitresses, motor mechanics and all those wonderful fulfilling careers, competing with countries like India and China, sporting all those well educated mathematicians,scientists,medical proffessionals etc. etc.----If 'unschooling' becomes the norm, it's then that we should change the prayer from'God Bless America' to 'God Help America'.
Think about it, 100 years from now---we, with a country of 'unschooled children' who have grown up to 'really enjoy' being waitresses, motor mechanics and all those wonderful fulfilling careers, competing with countries like India and China, sporting all those well educated mathematicians,scientists,medical proffessionals etc. etc.----If 'unschooling' becomes the norm, it's then that we should change the prayer from'God Bless America' to 'God Help America'.
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At 82 years of age I certainly have come from an 'older generation'---the changes that are happening are for the better!!
As for a President---it's really quite simple---the person who sits in the oval office needs to be capable of (a) Listening (b) Have the ability to apply that most uncommon attribute "Common Sense" to problems as they arrise.
It's quite apparant to me that this sitting President lacks that skill.
As for a President---it's really quite simple---the person who sits in the oval office needs to be capable of (a) Listening (b) Have the ability to apply that most uncommon attribute "Common Sense" to problems as they arrise.
It's quite apparant to me that this sitting President lacks that skill.
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