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Everyone in Oregon gets PERS, sort of.  If you work for a substandard employer and retire without adequate income you can get your "PERS" through public assistance. Not dignified, not well funded and certainly not ideal but you will get it or become homeless - then maybe the business community will help out - oh not so much!  You make great points and youre right, of course everyone should have a PERS to count on - I have a 401 K that now means I work till I die.

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call your Union for help.

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No one expects 100% and to say that is just wrong and just adds to the lies being told by ruthless politicians who want to starve hard workers in the public sector now that they have starved out private sector workers by stealing the pensions of millions of Americans.

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I want to make a couple of observations. First, I do not have a PERS account nor does anyone in my family. We pay our taxes to support our public employees and get nothing but services in return. We are OK with the trade as we value the services we use every day.  Like driving on the roads, drinking the water, breathing clean air and knowing that 911 will answer and send help if we need it.

I thought the moderator let Keisling run over the top of Hartman and failed to keep him in line and quiet so that Hartman could make valuable points.

Keisling failed, as did the moderator, to admit that we as taxpayers are supporting all the Non-PERS retirees who do not have an adequate pension though additional public services.

My family and I may indeed be different than the rest of the world but we prefer knowing what we are paying for up front.  Instead Keisling is suggesting that we continue to allow his buds in the private sector to force their retirees to feed off the system of public services while they just take the profits and run.

The difference is one system is open to public scrutiny and the other is cloaked in secrecy and deceit. Try calling Keisling the next time your house is on fire and see how fast he and his cronies get there to put it out.

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