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Tom D Ford's comments:
on Father's Day at 100
For around 3,000 years the standard of parenting for followers of the Abraham religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, was embodied by the King Solomon advice ?spare the rod and spoil the child? or as my father told me ?you have to put the fear in them early?. Then along came the psychologist B. F. Skinner and his studies on psychological conditioning, which are only recently being understood in parenting and raising childen; Rewarding desired behavior and not punishing the undesired behavior.
I had to ask the question ?who benefits? about the King Solomon method and after long study and thought I realized that only a King would benefit. A King has to beat and intimidate his subjects into obedient submission and the genius ( evil) of King Solomon was in getting parents to turn against their own children and do that beating and intimidating for him. And that has worked for all kings, pharoahs, emperors, and the rest of that ilk.
But now we know from Skinners work that the Solomon method is exactly the wrong and opposite way if we want to raise strong courageous kids into good citizens suitable for participation in a democracy. Solomon creates rebellious kids, fearful humans, and unquestioningly obedient subjects instead of strong upstanding, courageous, and participating citizens.
Parenting has come a long way from Skinner but there is still a very long way to go.
But throughout history there have been examples of Skinners ideas as in ?horse whisperers? and other people who learned to train animals with positive reinforcement instead of trying to beat them into submission.
I had to ask the question ?who benefits? about the King Solomon method and after long study and thought I realized that only a King would benefit. A King has to beat and intimidate his subjects into obedient submission and the genius ( evil) of King Solomon was in getting parents to turn against their own children and do that beating and intimidating for him. And that has worked for all kings, pharoahs, emperors, and the rest of that ilk.
But now we know from Skinners work that the Solomon method is exactly the wrong and opposite way if we want to raise strong courageous kids into good citizens suitable for participation in a democracy. Solomon creates rebellious kids, fearful humans, and unquestioningly obedient subjects instead of strong upstanding, courageous, and participating citizens.
Parenting has come a long way from Skinner but there is still a very long way to go.
But throughout history there have been examples of Skinners ideas as in ?horse whisperers? and other people who learned to train animals with positive reinforcement instead of trying to beat them into submission.
posted 4 years, 11 months ago
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Good idea!
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Sounds to me like the state ought to help develop more effective and efficient machines to process the bottles and/or cans. Make it so you could dump in a big load of cans and process them very rapidly.
posted 4 years, 11 months ago
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Costco sells Mexican style cane sugar Coca-Cola in traditional bottles but with no deposit; how do they get away with that?
posted 4 years, 11 months ago
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on Nine Iraqi Women
It is one of the oldest civilizations in the history of the world. They have been through a lot.
So I'd say you're wise to learn about them.
So I'd say you're wise to learn about them.
posted 4 years, 11 months ago
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A good letter.
posted 4 years, 11 months ago
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on Nine Iraqi Women
"Does Western media do a good enough job telling us stories from Iraq?"
Your guest is right that the western media jumped on the Bush/Cheney propaganda bandwagon and demonized the Iraqis.
The Iraqis trying to defend their families, homes, and country from the Criminals Bush/Cheney get flippantly labeled "terrorists" and the media run with it.
Bush/Cheney are just common Oil Industry burglar-murderers who broke into Iraq and murdered Iraqi mothers, fathers, children, and babies, to take control of their oil.
Blood Oil!
I would hope that I would defend my family, home, and country from War Criminals like Bush/Cheney.
Your guest is right that the western media jumped on the Bush/Cheney propaganda bandwagon and demonized the Iraqis.
The Iraqis trying to defend their families, homes, and country from the Criminals Bush/Cheney get flippantly labeled "terrorists" and the media run with it.
Bush/Cheney are just common Oil Industry burglar-murderers who broke into Iraq and murdered Iraqi mothers, fathers, children, and babies, to take control of their oil.
Blood Oil!
I would hope that I would defend my family, home, and country from War Criminals like Bush/Cheney.
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"404 not found"
Is what I got, David, please recheck that URL. I would like to read that.
Thanks.
Is what I got, David, please recheck that URL. I would like to read that.
Thanks.
posted 4 years, 11 months ago
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on Reading David Guterson
This is an interesting interview.
Henh, see that button on the bottom of the "Post Your Reply" window that says "Submit"? Ironically, that ought to read "Take Action", or "Get to Work" for this program.
imho
Henh, see that button on the bottom of the "Post Your Reply" window that says "Submit"? Ironically, that ought to read "Take Action", or "Get to Work" for this program.
imho
posted 4 years, 11 months ago
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on Fighting for Primetime
"We've feminized men since the Roman times".
That's one of the tenets of right-wing Conservative Christian Evangelicals. They reject the teachings of Jesus Christ as feminine but still claim to be "saved" by Jesus the Christ because of their "faith" in him. I learned that from a white supremacist in discussions on the old Talk of the Nation discussion boards. Boy those were some discussions.
The racist Christian Identity group comes to mind also, far right Conservative Christians.
That's one of the tenets of right-wing Conservative Christian Evangelicals. They reject the teachings of Jesus Christ as feminine but still claim to be "saved" by Jesus the Christ because of their "faith" in him. I learned that from a white supremacist in discussions on the old Talk of the Nation discussion boards. Boy those were some discussions.
The racist Christian Identity group comes to mind also, far right Conservative Christians.
posted 4 years, 11 months ago
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on Spotty Recovery
"Logging on federal lands plummeted in 1990 when the birds were listed as an endangered species."
That's a canard pushed by the logging and wood products industries to keep the blame pointed away from themselves.
The fact is that they successfully lobbied the Forest Service for far too many years to over-cut the forests far beyond the sustainable capacity to reproduce. They cut themselves out of trees.
If you look at the history, you see that the New England states were clearcut and then used for sheep pastures, thus all the old stone sheep fences. Minnesota was clearcut and then those mill owners moved out west, some to Bend, Shevlin-Hixon and Brooks-Scanlon for examples. Historically, the industry clearcut an area and then moved somewhere else and clearcut it too.
Sometimes the workers followed the mills but in Oregon they were left without jobs and told to blame the owls instead of the time-dishonored clearcut logging practices of their employers.
The mill owners have moved on to clearcutting other forests in foreign countries.
The Forest Service admitted that was their practice but that story never got the media legs that spotted owls did, probably because media owners tend to be right-wing Conservatives like the Chandler family that owns The Bend Bulletin as part of their media conglomerate empire.
England was clearcut of their Great Oak Forests to build warships at the rate of 8 to 9 thousand oak trees per ship.
Iceland was clearcut and then turned into sheep pastures.
Washington was clearcut years ago and some of those gigantic stumps still remain up around Enumclaw with springboard cuts still visible.
Northern California was clearcut of redwoods except for a few very small parcels.
Central Oregon was clearcut, the stumps are still out there.
And I don't need to remind anyone of the Amazon.
It wasn't the owls, it was the loggers overcutting!
And yes as a Bend area kid I worked logging just like most did. Worked in a mill too.
That's a canard pushed by the logging and wood products industries to keep the blame pointed away from themselves.
The fact is that they successfully lobbied the Forest Service for far too many years to over-cut the forests far beyond the sustainable capacity to reproduce. They cut themselves out of trees.
If you look at the history, you see that the New England states were clearcut and then used for sheep pastures, thus all the old stone sheep fences. Minnesota was clearcut and then those mill owners moved out west, some to Bend, Shevlin-Hixon and Brooks-Scanlon for examples. Historically, the industry clearcut an area and then moved somewhere else and clearcut it too.
Sometimes the workers followed the mills but in Oregon they were left without jobs and told to blame the owls instead of the time-dishonored clearcut logging practices of their employers.
The mill owners have moved on to clearcutting other forests in foreign countries.
The Forest Service admitted that was their practice but that story never got the media legs that spotted owls did, probably because media owners tend to be right-wing Conservatives like the Chandler family that owns The Bend Bulletin as part of their media conglomerate empire.
England was clearcut of their Great Oak Forests to build warships at the rate of 8 to 9 thousand oak trees per ship.
Iceland was clearcut and then turned into sheep pastures.
Washington was clearcut years ago and some of those gigantic stumps still remain up around Enumclaw with springboard cuts still visible.
Northern California was clearcut of redwoods except for a few very small parcels.
Central Oregon was clearcut, the stumps are still out there.
And I don't need to remind anyone of the Amazon.
It wasn't the owls, it was the loggers overcutting!
And yes as a Bend area kid I worked logging just like most did. Worked in a mill too.
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Unfortunately, every religion has been used to abuse people, including Buddhism:
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html#notes
I had always wondered why China invaded Tibet and whether the communist dislike for religious oppression was part of the reason. It seems that no religion has clean hands.
Now. One of the best quotes I ever read was "I am human, nothing human is foreign to me", and I forget who said it. To me it means that everything that humans have done, good or bad is available to me, I too, could do it, and so I am always at choice, and always aware of what are the consequences of what I choose to do. It is the best load I have ever carried and the toughest one to deal with. I don't pretend there is some God telling me "do" or "not do", there is only me and you and constantly trying to figure what is the best, the most effective way to get along with each other. So I admire people who train in martial arts in order to not have to use them. But using those arts as a circus for entertainment, to pique the violent instincts of an audience for pleasure and to sell beer (bread) and make a profit, now that I don't admire.
Some folks worship the warriors, and some acknowledge them but admire the ones who prevent the wars; the lawyers who negotiate treaties, the statesmen who use diplomacy, and the martial artists who know when to not fight. Perhaps the greater skill is in preventing the fight.
/ end rant.
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html#notes
I had always wondered why China invaded Tibet and whether the communist dislike for religious oppression was part of the reason. It seems that no religion has clean hands.
Now. One of the best quotes I ever read was "I am human, nothing human is foreign to me", and I forget who said it. To me it means that everything that humans have done, good or bad is available to me, I too, could do it, and so I am always at choice, and always aware of what are the consequences of what I choose to do. It is the best load I have ever carried and the toughest one to deal with. I don't pretend there is some God telling me "do" or "not do", there is only me and you and constantly trying to figure what is the best, the most effective way to get along with each other. So I admire people who train in martial arts in order to not have to use them. But using those arts as a circus for entertainment, to pique the violent instincts of an audience for pleasure and to sell beer (bread) and make a profit, now that I don't admire.
Some folks worship the warriors, and some acknowledge them but admire the ones who prevent the wars; the lawyers who negotiate treaties, the statesmen who use diplomacy, and the martial artists who know when to not fight. Perhaps the greater skill is in preventing the fight.
/ end rant.
posted 4 years, 11 months ago
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"A christian believes that God created man in his own image, does that mean God was built to fight? If He is, that scares me."
Some of us believe that man created God in mans own image, which I think better explains the ways things actually are.
Some of us believe that man created God in mans own image, which I think better explains the ways things actually are.
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"What do other folks think?"
Keep on discussing, in my opinion. Better to shine the light than to hide it.
The pro-MMA folks get to hear the opinions of the antis and try to justify their ideas, so it's good to talk on both sides.
And I'm not going to fight it out with those guys!
Keep on discussing, in my opinion. Better to shine the light than to hide it.
The pro-MMA folks get to hear the opinions of the antis and try to justify their ideas, so it's good to talk on both sides.
And I'm not going to fight it out with those guys!
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Well said and written.
And I see that the software is duplicating posts. I had that problem above.
And I see that the software is duplicating posts. I had that problem above.
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Oops, the software won't allow deleting this post.
posted 4 years, 11 months ago
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"Who are we as a nation, as a state, and is this calling to our higher nature? No. The tendency is the other way. Is this the sort of thing you want in your child's imagination? Or your own?"
I see this a a result of decades of descent into Conservatism, the politics of promoting hate and divisiveness to keep the lower classes divided against each other. Wealthy Conservative Republicans are the only ones who could possibly benefit.
I see this a a result of decades of descent into Conservatism, the politics of promoting hate and divisiveness to keep the lower classes divided against each other. Wealthy Conservative Republicans are the only ones who could possibly benefit.
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Justifying it through religion, well that explains a lot. Asserting that boys are "designed" to fight by their "creator".
Religion is the first great lie told to children in order to manipulate them into accepting abuse by persons in position of power and authority and all kings, pharoahs, emperors, dictators, and their ilk have used it to abuse.
Promoting violence between the lower classes keeps their minds off of the real violence done to them by the wealthy and powerful.
An interesting show indeed!
Religion is the first great lie told to children in order to manipulate them into accepting abuse by persons in position of power and authority and all kings, pharoahs, emperors, dictators, and their ilk have used it to abuse.
Promoting violence between the lower classes keeps their minds off of the real violence done to them by the wealthy and powerful.
An interesting show indeed!
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