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on Cows v. Elk v. Wild Horses
You are not allowed by state law to allow any hunting of elk within confined elk game farms. In fact the state is driving elk farms out of business. You are talking about unfenced huge ranches or someone who has purchased hunting rights on these lands and use LOP tags to hunt. This program is being abused by these huge landowners and there is a bill in the hopper in Salem to try and stop that practice. Because of the huge amounts of money paid to hunt trophy elk I do not believe that the F&W will be able to control it.
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on Cows v. Elk v. Wild Horses
Glenn: Tell them to get out of their rigs and start hunting on foot. Over 60 years I have hunted all over eastern oregon and there definitely are many more game animals now than 40 years ago. I live in the Blues of EO and have elk, deer, bear and cougar plus those dambed turkeys on my land. I allow hunting but get very few people stopping to hunt, they think you have to be on federal land way up on top the mtn to find game. I have seen herds of bulls right down in the foothills, last year just before hunting season I saw 2 different herds of elk between Weston and MiltonFreewater and there was 60 to 80 elk in each herd and more than 10 branch antlered bulls in each herd plus 15 to 20 raghorns and spikes in each herd. Where I live there are at least 30 branch antlered bulls within a mile of my house. Yet your game department does not even list any elk in that area. In the canyon east of my house there was 5 cougars last year (not that many now) and every canyon has 2 to 5 of them and the game department did not think there were enough to remove some of them. Talk about a bunch of dingbats, F&W has hired most of them in the state.
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To go along with the above Nature Conservator is using cattle on several of their land tracks for weed control and fire control. Good land managers know how to use cattle on their lands to fertilize, graze off fire danger and earn income from the cattle. Nature Conserator is one of the biggest eco's in the business.
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Our government has banned the killing of horses for their meat even in dog food. They also banned selling them to foreign countries if they are to be used for human or animal consumption. These laws were instigated by the PETA type groups. Today because of the economy there are thousands of privately owned horses being taken out in the country or into the mtns and turned loose. Many of them will starve or become the victims of cold weather in the mtns or predator animals or packs of dogs in the low lands. Wild horses have been a problem for years and so far the government has done a very poor job of rectifying it and it will be a whole lot worse in the next few years. Maybe they should deliver a horse to every animal lover in this country and they can buy that expensive hay and feed them in their back yards.
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posted 4 years, 3 months ago
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I wish to disagree with what you said about horses and their early impact on streambanks and on grass, brush and trees around streams. In 1855 when the treaties were signed with the Indians the Confederated Tribes of the Umatillas (3 tribes) they owned several thousand horses, cattle and sheep. If you wish to see the damage these animals did to streambeds go to Tamusalik on the Umatilla Reservation and look at the huge picture on the wall of a Indian encampment along one of the rivers/streams in Umatilla Cty, Oregon. There is steep bank sides, with no grass or brush and the trees are being girthed by the animals. There is no new comer to this sinerio. Please get your facts before you print your drivel in these discussions.
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posted 4 years, 3 months ago
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Pertaining to refugee comment and the pictures he showed on a the ONDA website. Those pictures are a fraud. First the no cow picture was taken several years before the other picture. If you had any experience in stream bank restoration you would know that these are fakes. This is always the problem with the enviro kooks that use lies and subrifuge to forward their agenda. There is a need to allow cattle on federal lands. But they need to be treated like a herd of buffalo, the grass never is eaten below 4"(inches), at that point they are moved to another area. Streams need to be fenced and water bars are installed for cattle watering. Wild animals or predatory animals as used by russler need to be controlled in the lower 48. The time of the mtn men are gone forever and we must realize that. I live in the Blue Mtns and I kill excess cougars and will do the same when the wolves show up. What we all need to understand is the water issues in all this. Hay is the highest water user of all crops with the least economical value. Pasture watering is next. When cattle are forced off the federal grounds the cattle rancher is forced to water pasture and hay ground rather than allow nature to water his pasture and removing a grain crop for hay. We use to grow 100% of all our food needs and fed 1/2 of the rest of the world. Today we import 60% of our food and feed very little of the rest of the world. The enviro's had better start looking at the bigger picture because with the economy in a depression and our government spending money we do not even have it is going to be a long time (15 to 20 years) before we come out of this in the US. The rest of the world will go down worse than we do. When that happens I think you will actually like to live next to a rancher or farmer, it may be the only thing that keeps you alive.
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