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we have an age of majority: with a fair system of "state of intellectual majority", a state that most can attain, some with more effort than others, but fair mental effort-  something like this it seems to me is a more aware approach to the variety of problems that this issue really brings up.

 

Certainly my 'suggestions' bring up a host of civil rights questions - as it should, and it will be the intelligent who are capable of addressing these problems most fairly (and as certainly, only if they themselves are intelligent enough to be  fair to the larger society and not only themselves and/or their partisans)

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if a reliable study were done, i believe it would indicate strongly that those of lower intellectual development are those who cause most physical violence and/or damage while involved in social inebriation, drunkenness

-rather than a few drinks that lighten the load of a long day, they spill the load - were i to make a better metaphor et c of it - 

 

we are looking at a problem and not dissociating certain elements from the heap of a problem, 

 

in other words, you have discussed a compound problem and you were questioning it as if it were cut all from one cloth; disobedience and punishment, which as it turns out, is a strong enhancement to those bad habits among those who cannot/do not learn to think it out beforehand more often eventually

 

specific to alcohol/intoxicants-

personal chemistry, to the extent at least that it can be shown and proved, 

 

mental-capacity - easy to push a small/underdeveloped mind off balance, what is a test to some minds is a mortal blow to others

 

12-step is most effective on those who are basically superstitious, and this comes either from an incapacity for comprehending the extent of knowledge, or a lack of will to do the same

 

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the example you are using , did this guy graduate kindergarten with a barely passing grade?

 

Come on - what he did was stupid - this show might more constructively challenge notions about the need for an intelligence test in order to be licensed to do many things, more than just surgery or structural engineer - not just a skills test, but intelligence - 

this particular guy has no real sense of responsibility - that indicates an immature intelligence at best

 

there are so many reasons to argue against his whining, and so many reason s to argue for a state's initially forgiving attitude to first time action that leads to crime - that is, action taken in gross  social or personal irresponsibility with a consequence quite severe - 

 

this guy is another whiner - there are folks who shouldn't be allowed to do anything until they stop whining - if one has something to complain about, it is best to do it forthrightly, not sneaking around the sympathies of mommy's apron or making tiresome mewling noises

 

However, this does assume there is a well formed adult presence and example to be seen and learned from

 

If over-imbibing is a sickness, a malady, an affliction: then that state indicates there are some certain things those people who have that should not do, and if they continue to do those things, to the danger of self or those around, then s/he must be restrained from that behavior until they can restrain themselves- please continue to next comment

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