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And for the record, to my knowledge, I know neither Rivraton, nor AUDregger. But nice try, Jacob. Your attempt to make it appear that everyone fighting your cause is ONE person, is textbook, even if poorly executed.
That said, do I have a financial interest in mining? I'm a miner and therefore, am guilty as charged and I am proud of it. That said, I am hardly within the "industry". The fact is, we have no local mining "industry", kind of like we have no local timber "industry" and no local agricultural "industry". Pat yourself on the back for that.
I have watched your ilk DESTROY livlihoods, DESTROY families and STEAL private property in the valley in which I was born, all in the name of spotted owls, fish and whatever other little creature or plant you decide is "endangered". I have watched people lose their jobs and ultimately their homes, forcing them to move away from the place where they had lived for generations. I know people who worked in the timber industry who were killed or injured by tree spikes. I have watched your ilk assist your like-minded pals in the varying federal agencies to actually prosecute people for the "crime" of trying to earn a living in the same way that their ancestors did or for protecting their property rights.
Am I anti-environmentalist? Absolutely.
I know the source of the environmental movement's funding and the intentions of your agenda, simply by studying the writings of your own leaders and the fact that I had quite a few childhood friends who went on to become environmentalists. And for a time, I was even a member of the Pacific Green Party in the days before it was taken over by the extreme wing of the environmental movement. Your cause is not grass roots, but corporate. Your cause is not about the environment. There is a war out there over the resources of this region and it is mostly bloodless. It is about control and the theft of private and public resources, especially the water, for the benefit of the corporate elite who wish to collect on debts which were incurred by this country in the past.
People are waking up to this fact and you're not going to win.
posted 2 years, 7 months ago
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Yes, let's just censor anyone who dares to ridicule the environmental agenda.
posted 2 years, 10 months ago
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Now really, freshair, you enviros keep dragging out the same false charges and the same propoganda even though time after time, it blows up in your face. Certainly you people can spend more of that corporate grant money to come up with something original and interesting oppoed to just spouting out the same old thing again and again. At least make it interesting, for once.
California has not "banned" anything. It's a moratorium placed on suction mining due to the failure of a state agency to do an EIS which they were ordered to do. Though it shuts down that type of mining (for now), we are talking about nothing more than the sheer incompetence of California Fish and Wildlife.
You also know that no such thing involving OSP went on that DEQ forum and that in reality, OSP were invited.
But let's talk about what DID go on at a recent DEQ public forum held in Medford, where in two members of a "local" (ho ho) enviro group were caught copying the personal information of those in attendence from the sign in sheet, including those of DEQ employees.
The bottom line is, you have no science, only weak propoganda fed to you from your corporate contributors on Wall Street in an effort to violate the property rights and prosperity of people in the Far West. And the worst of it is, most of you know it.
Pathetic.
posted 2 years, 10 months ago
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If you are referencing Cliff Tracy's operation on the confluence of Gold Dollar and Sucker Creek as "disgusting and frightening", you have some serious problems and should seek some professional help. Either that, or you are lying to further an agenda.
We are talking about a guy who dug a hole with a backhoe and then washed a bunch of dirt off with water into a settling pond. Nothing that man was doing would turn that waterway "milky white". In fact, he wasn't even discharging into a creek and had he been, the most you would have seen was turbid water which would have been no different than a waterway is during the winter.
Further, salmon do spawn in Sucker Creek, but only recently. Prior to being worked with a small bucket line dredge around 1910, Sucker Creek wasn't a very big waterway. Like nearby Althouse still does to this day, Sucker Creek used to dry up until it was reduced mainly to a few puddles. But that all changed after the Doodlebug came up and that mining operation made Sucker Creek the waterway that it is today by deepening and widening its channel. During the early 1930's, the Girl Scouts planted Coho Salmon in the creek and established a migratory salmon population. Those salmon still rerturn annually and yes, they are essentially invaders.
As for the Sucker Fish, they NEVER did live in that waterway. The name Sucker Creek originates from the fact that Philip Althouse and his brothers were the first miners to work that area. The Althouse Brothers came to Oregon in the 1840's from Illinois. In 1852, the brothers discovered gold in what is now known as Althouse Creek. A short time later, they also made a strike in a stream located somewhat east of the Althouse that is now known as Sucker Creek. In those days, the word "Sucker" was a derogatory word used to refer to people from Illinois. That's the source of the name and it has nothing to do with fish.
posted 2 years, 10 months ago
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As for that "ridiculous give away of public resources" that is the 1866/1872 Mining Acts, the rights to the water which produces YOUR food also originate from that same act.
posted 2 years, 10 months ago
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You may not buy gold for investing or jewelry, but you did just use it to post your message. As you know, it's in your computer, your car, your TV, your cell phone and just about everything else you use on a daily basis.
As you are against local mining, you are therefore pro-corporate mining, most of which is done by the Chinese utilizing child labor in Africa and YOU are therefore part of the REAL problem.
And by the way, it's 1872, not 1879.
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Obviously, those financial analysts you refer to are poor researchers. Many miners during the early gold rushes made great fortunes, while an even larger number made "wages". This is not to say that all of them succeeded, as just like any other form of business, a certain percentage of them did fail.
This is just as true today as it was then. I know miners who do very well for themselves, while many more make a living. Still others seem to spend more than they ever make.
That said, contrary to the opinion of many, mining is hard work. Not only is it physically demanding, but it's mentally demanding too. Like anything else, if you don't gain the proper knowledge and then apply it, you are doomed to failure. Most of the miners who fail to make at least wages, either fail to gain the proper knowledge or they gain the knowledge and fail to apply it. This is as true today as it was in 1850, as it should be noted that MOST of the miners who did well in the early rushes actually had prior experience as gold miners in the SE states (namely Georgia), as well as overseas. These men were knowledgeable about their vocation and as a result, not only knew how to recognize mineral deposits, but they also knew how to work them and were willing to do so. If they were not knowledgable about mining, others who were successful, were the ones who turned to those experienced men to learn. This was contrary to those who believed it should be as simple as simply picking up nuggets right off the ground.
You get from this exactly what you are willing to put in.
posted 2 years, 10 months ago
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You are grossly misinformed or simply attempting to misinform others.
Drilling for oil has NOTHING to do with mining locatable minerals.
Gold is not exclusively found in "wispy veins as wide as hair". In fact, most of the large commercial open pit mines do not focus on veins at all, but so-called "free gold" which can consist of mere microscopic specks in a gangue. For that matter, 90% of the gold recovered in Oregon historically is either placer gold (which has broken free from a deposit) or pocket gold. It's also not buried by "millions of tons of bedrock". In the case of placer gold, it's usually ON top of the bedrock.
Further, the methods used in mining gold are NOT the same as used in coal mining. For starters, sluicing is a method used to separate heavy minerals from the lighter materials. Not only is this method not used for coal, it would actually not even work for coal. Also one method you mentioned, "hydralic (sic) sluicing", has actually not been used for over 100 years. Further "gravelling" and "mountaintop mining" are not mining methods. In fact, "gravelling" is defined as an unconsolidated mixture of rocks and pebbles and is utilized in road construction - not mining.
As for the mining of minds, yours is clearly a poor prospect.
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